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A Buckled Wood Floor Results in a Kitchen Demo

By Avi Hadad
December 2011/January 2012
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The Problem

photo of buckled floorI received a call from a homeowner who wanted me to look at his newly installed floor. He said the floor was cupping and buckling.

The Procedure

The homeowner decided to remodel his kitchen a few months ago. The house was built in the 1950s on a concrete slab. As part of the remodel, the general contractor installed wood floors throughout the kitchen, dining room and living room. He used a prefinished solid ¾-by-5-inch that was called Brazilian rosewood (although that was the name of the product, from looking at it, I doubt it was anything even close to rosewood). The contractor mechanically fastened ¾-inch pressure-treated (PT) plywood to the slab and then nailed the flooring to it. (Yes, yes, he did.)

The owner was very happy with the remodeled kitchen and the new floor, but not for too long: Only a couple of weeks after the installation, the floor started to cup. By the time I got there, the floor had buckled about 14 inches off the slab.

The Cause

Now, even though it seemed obvious what happened here, I still needed to follow NWFACP protocol for the inspection and check everything else that could be related to the concern. So, here are facts: The contractor took no moisture or RH readings—not in the slab, and not in the wood flooring. The nailing schedule and the type of fasteners were within both manufacturer and NWFA guidelines. There was an asphalt-laminated-type vapor retarder in place. The property sloped away from the house, and a proper drainage system was in place. The HVAC system was on and operating. I checked some leftover flooring planks stored in the garage and they were at 11% MC, while the flooring inside the house read between 20% and 28% MC! The subfloor in this house read between 30% and 40% MC.

The cause for this floor failure was simply the wrong subfloor system. Pressure-treated lumber is very wet. PT lumber is not suitable for a direct installation of wood flooring over it unless it is kiln-dried; it is simply too wet.

How to Fix the Floor

There was no way around it: The newly remodeled kitchen, from top to bottom, including the flooring and the subfloor, needed to be removed. The cabinets were installed over the floor, and the floor had moved so much that it pushed the cabinets up, pushing the seams of the granite countertop off by 1⁄8 inch. Luckily for the homeowner, the contractor did not run away from this mess and wanted to make things right.

In a situation like this, after everything is removed, the NWFA Installation Guidelines must be followed. Test the slab for moisture using an approved method and record the results. Even if your readings are acceptable to install a wood floor without a moisture retarding system, please use one of the moisture retarders recommended by the flooring manufacturer or the NWFA. You ask why? I say, why not? After the slab is flat, dry and clean, you can install your wood subfloor for a nail-down application or glue your floor directly to the slab. Directions for installing wood floors over concrete are included in the NWFA’s Installation Guidelines, which is included with NWFA membership.

In the Future

In short: Hire an NWFA-certified professional who will follow industry-established standards. Enough said.


Avi Hadad is owner at San Pablo, Calif.-base Avi’s Hardwood Floors and is NWFACP-certified in Inspection, Installation and Sand & Finish.



Moisture barriers            Moisture testing wood floors    Subfloor preparation        Buckling        Prefinished wood flooring           

 Comments:

Mr. Hadad, In my opinion, a proper vapor retarder is ALWAYS placed between the on grade slab and a mechanically fastened or floated subfloor-PERIOD. The reason is quite simple.This procedure is the NOFMA standard and the NOFMA standard is still the legal standard to my understanding. Am I correct Mr. Glen Miller? The NWFA Installation Guidelines Chapter 9 Solid Strip and Plank installed over concrete page 11 states that a material with a perm rating of .15 or less is ALWAYS required over the concrete and below the subfloor. Chapter 6 Installing a subfloor over concrete page 7, floated subfloor, states: "In on-grade and below-grade applications, ALWAYS add vapor retarder before applying". Chapter 6 page 8, Nail down subfloor, states: "In on-grade and below-grade applications, ALWAYS add vapor retarder before applying underlayment. No slab moisture reading recorded or not alters the term "ALWAYS". Let us not be confused by all the moisture testing information.
Joe Clarke CR  contractor & NOFMA CWFI  12/16/2011 10:13:21 PM

Thank you so much for your input. Yes, I do agree with you on always creating a vapor barrier between the slab and the sub floor. The issue in mind on this specific install was the moisture migrating directly from the wet subfloor and not the slab. Also, a few points to keep in mind for our readers since you brought it up: 1. The guidelines are not set in stone. The small font on the first page of each booklet state just that: "..these are not universal requirements"… 2. The guidelines are in constant review by the NWFA and I have yet to go through one year without the guidelines being revised. Make sure you use the last revised version of the guidelines. 3. The moisture testing is a good system. It gives you a point of reference to work with. When I first started using epoxy type sealers I used to test the slab before and after the sealer was applied to get a better understanding of the product performance. 4. Every time I mention NOFMA lately I'm reminded it no longer exists so I will let Glen and Don comment on this.
Avi Hadad    12/20/2011 11:37:12 AM

Hello, I just read this and do not understand what Pressure Treated Plywood has to do with being the cause. Could someone clarify the conclusion for me? Thank you.
Colin French, Floor Forensics  Owner CP223807  1/16/2012 1:16:50 PM

Number one, using preasure treated in the home is not approved. That was the first problem. I have glued down 5 inch Ash on slab with no cupping, have some gaps in the winter. The slab has to be sealed, I used a Urethane adhesive as a skim coat then glued the flooring down. It's been 5 years now with no problems. My slab is on grade.
Steve    1/16/2012 2:21:53 PM

Hi Colin, the process of pressure treating lumber is in short forcing chemical preservatives into the wood. There are a few main ways of doing it and one of them is waterborne. There are what's called retention levels that need to be met as to how much of those chemicals actually stay in the lumber. This is why moisture in the pressure treated lumber is so high and often PT lumber is visibly wet. Some manufacturers kiln dry their lumber after treating to about 19%. Others don't. So when one installs a floor directly on PT plywood the floor will absorb that moisture very fast and wood does not like "fast". You can always email me directly I would be happy to share more information.
Avi Hadad    1/16/2012 3:09:02 PM

The answer is at the beginning! The GENERAL contractor installed it! He is NOT a FLOOR MAN!!!!!!! GREED!!!!!!!! They deserve what they got! He deserves to be strung up! This Country IS screwed! PRICE IS the ONLY motivator any more! PERIOD!
Master1    1/24/2012 6:34:04 AM

We had a water leak in our wall from our ice maker. We had wood floors in our kitchen, pantry living area and dining room. We had to have a professional restoration company perform water remeiation drying etc. About 50% of the wood flooring and sub flooring was removed. Then, after a long drying process. We not only had the new flooring installed in the affected areas, we continued in our study, down the hall and into our master bedroom. Now, 7 short months later, we are having severe cupping and some cracking on not only the new flooring, but on the old flooring that has been down for 9 years. Please help us, what is the answer. the experts all say the readings are well within the normal range. None of them give the same reason for what they think is happening and none agree on the method of treatment.
V. Carsten  homeowner  1/26/2012 10:31:40 AM

I can give you a lot of information but I am not here to promote myself so let me keep it short. It is impossible for one to help you without doing a full investigation on site. About the different opinions; If you will get three different good floor inspectors all three will give you the same answer. Unfortunately, there are good and bad inspectors just like there are good and bad doctors, dentists, teachers....maybe that's why you got different opinions. A good start for you is to contact the NWFACP headquarters and/or visit their website. I hope this helps.
Avi Hadad    1/26/2012 12:03:02 PM

V. Carsten, I have posted your question on our discussion forum at http://bit.ly/z2Kxo0 in case anybody wants to offer guidance there.
Kim Wahlgren  Editor  1/30/2012 8:55:23 AM


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